REVELATION 12 AND ITS SPIRITUAL AND PHYSICAL MESSAGE

and the coming of the false messiah,

And what reveals 2 Esdras?

Not one word in all existing scripture: bible or lost gospels nor apocrypha prove a pre trib rapture of the elect! And many today will not be pleased to know the truth about rapture. In 1988 there already occurred a rapture delusion after preaching rapture in September of that year!

https://archive.org/details/ReasonsWhyTheRaptureWillBeIn1988PDF

Rapture is teached by the Rev 12 sign believers by only using the first two verses of this chapter !? This sign is important, even not seen by night, but it does not reveal a rapture of the elect nor a second coming of Yeshua.

“For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many... “

Those who might think that the apocrypha and hidden books as the lost gospels are not of the Word are wrong, when we know who in history assembled bible! Wasn't it the first Roman deceiving Catholic Church who did? Of course, and they rejected all those very important scriptures as being not coming from God and thus not reliable to be put into the bible! Really? Why then were Christians killed or banned by the first Roman church when they caught these Christians reading the manuscripts they rejected and forbid to read? Why then were these books put in jars and hidden in the desert and many in caves to be found after almost 2000 later between 1945-1949 when Israel became a state after the moon tetrad which occurred in that time? When you read these books, you’ll know why these were rejected by these first deceiving so called church fathers.

Why would this first so called Christian church who, regardless one’s actions, preached and also still does, that every soul goes to heaven after his death, because principally everyone would be saved through mercy. But the reality is completely different and actually difficult to distinguish by biblical books which does not go deeper into this mystery of salvation. Where then are these mysteries recorded? Why were these first scriptures hidden in jars if they would not contain any value? Obvious these scrolls must have contained a greater value than most possibly could imagine! Thus we have to dig deeper than what was proclaimed to us by this deceiving church, because only through knowledge one can get further into his search for salvation.

Did anyone ever thought about this? I think not because today they are blinded by rapture and the second coming they think Rev 12 is speaking of, but that's not what it says! First the great fall away must occur and the revealing of the lawless one before the Lord returns! The Lord thus returns after the appearance of the lawless one! What is Rev 12 telling us? The dragon is cast into the earth to persecute the woman who represents Israel! The dragon refers to the coming of the lawless one and false messiah who Israel and the Middle East currently awaits, not the second coming of our Lord Yeshua! Who then will be raptured, IF the child birth would refer to a rapture of somebody? The restrainer of course, who until that moment restrained the appearance (coming) of the lawless one on earth. The restrainer is not the church, but the Holy Spirit itself! And the Holy Spirit is of God, not of the church and the Holy Spirit will be taken to His Throne; God's Throne, not Yeshua's Throne, where as we read, the chosen elect will be taken to!

Current Middle East updates about this topic: https://dailymotiontops.blogspot.be/?m=0&type=video&id=x2o4s0g

Gen 6:3: “And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.” One day God’s Spirit will be taken away! When? Before the end, for He put His spirit upon man for 120 years or 6000 earthly years, which means: it’s time to take away God’s spirit which is the Holy Spirit.

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2Tess2:1: “Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter presuming to be from us and alleging that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness (the son of destruction) is revealed. 4 He will oppose and exalt himself above every so-called god or object of worship. So he will seat himself in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

5 Do you not remember that I told you these things while I was still with you? 6And you know what is now restraining him, so that he will be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one who now restrains it will continue until he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and abolish by the majesty of His arrival.”

Note: clear statement that the second Coming shall come to pass after the revealing of the lawless one. The restrainer, the ‘ONE’ who now restrains it…’ Where was the church when Yeshua told this to His disciples? Nowhere, for He was not crucified nor resurrected yet and until then He preached to His brothers the Jews and Israelites, not to the gentiles! The One is the Holy Spirit of whom Yeshua informed His disciples about he would send him after His ascension. They knew about the Holy Spirit for God gave His spirit unto man for 120 years, but first Yeshua had to enforce the power of the Holy Spirit upon His believers by His blood.

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What does the Gospel tell us about the elect and their redemption:

Matt 24:3: “While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. “Tell us, they said, “when will all this happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”

Matt 24:4-5: “Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.… “

Note: -The first thing Yeshua answered was His warning not to be deceived by those who promote the Christ, saying and claiming He comes or He is here. Yeshua wanted His disciples to make clear that in those days many will use His name to push a particular doctrine as being true! Satan will use the church herself to deceive her very elect! Yeshua didn’t say in these days many shall teach the truth to save many, but in the opposite they will use scripture and deceive many by preaching a different gospel.

‘For many will come in My name…’?! Who will come in His name, using His name by their teachings when we know only the Christian church will use His name? The muslims won’t do that, nor some Buddhists or atheists will I suppose, but the Christian church herself who praises His name, will be the first to deceive many!

Matt 24:9: “Then they will hand you over to be persecuted and killed, and you will be hated by all nations on account of My name. 10At that time many will fall away and will betray and hate one another, 11and many false prophets will arise and mislead many."

Note: ‘Many false prophets will arise and mislead many’! He says: ProphetS, plural, not one prophet if some might think it refers to the lawless one. Yeshua is also speaking of those who call themselves Christians, who will be able to mislead many too. Today this is already happening by preaching the false sign of the second Coming and eventually rapture by using His Name! Those who currently believe this are acting as little children who was promised a surprise on their birthday and I cannot figure out where they ever read in any existing scripture about a pre trib rapture and second coming according to the Rev 12 sign by the travailing virgin. All sense of time, logic and insight are lost by claiming this would happen on September 23- 2017! The worst thing after this wrongly set date is the great delusion that follows, and then who will ever believe them again! But the worst thing ever will be that these deluded people won’t believe us neither! Then the biblical great fall away before the second coming will be a historical fact!

12 Because of the multiplication of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold. 13But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.”

Note: Then, after a while, after many worse things has passed, the true Gospel will be preached, then, after those who experienced tribulations and the beginning wrath come into faith and believe by accepting the Lord.

Matt 24:15: “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’as described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), 16then let those in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. 18And let no one in the field return for his cloak.”

Jewish bible: Matt 24:15: "Therefore, when you see the SHIKUTS MESHOMEM )[Mk 13:14] (Abomination of Desolation), the thing spoken through Daniel HaNavi, having stood in the Makom Kadosh (Holy Place, i.e., the Beis Hamikdash)--let the reader understand!”

Note: ‘let the reader understand!’, What do we have to understand? It’s about the abomination of desolation, who already occurred in 688 AD with the building of the pagan Dome of the Rock on God’s Temple mount, but in the last days it will happen again under the ministry of the false prophet who claims to be Jesus who came back, and many will believe this deception. Israel has already made these plans and has already a place to build a new Temple which also will be done. The false messiah/lawless one who will appear after the Rev 12 sign, will agree with the plan, make covenants with Israel and many others ect… until the building is finished and then the lawless one and his allies will turn their back to Israel and attack. This, with all logic sense and human wisdom and current political events, cannot be done, nor occur before next September 2017 I guess! In fact, we can say that the present Rev 12 teachers preach a false second coming, namely the coming of the false prophet who will profile himself as a Jesus.

-19 "How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath. 21For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. 22If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be shortened”.

Note: where did we see any great tribulation unmatched from the beginning of the world until today? I didn’t! The days will be shortened for the sake of the elect? What is already happened when Yeshua said this to his disciples? We read that the lawless one is already ruling and deceiving in the Middle East and Yeshua is still not returned while the (remnant) elect are still on earth!

Matt 5:25-26 reminds us of that: “Reconcile quickly with your adversary, while you are still on the way to court. Otherwise he may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.”

Which means: You will not be saved until you’ve proved your strength, behold, believe, steadfastness, faith and everlasting love towards your neighbor and our Master Lord Yeshua and for this the elect are put into a test until the end! No one will escape this test, the unjust nor the righteous.

23 "At that time, if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe it. 24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible. 25See, I have told you in advance."

Matt 24:26: ”So if they tell you, ‘There He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.”

Note: The first warning not to be deceived by His name as we read in Matt 24:5.

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*Matt 24:29: “Immediately after the tribulation of those days: (After tribulations God’s Wrath begins!)

‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’ (This is the last day of God’s wrath) 30At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.”

Note: Immediately after the tribulation of those days! We read AFTER those days the worst hasn’t yet come: the wrath upon the world, for until then it only concerned Israel and the Middle East with some after pangs for the west! The wrath of God is something differant than tribulation conflicts! ‘At that time’, on the last day of this wrath period Yeshua will return, but no one knows when, because all the tribes of the earth will mourn when they see all these frightening things for they didn’t know, but they do not rejoice at once, but as we see today regarding the Rev 12 sign they already rejoice and till now they haven’t even see any trib nor wrath events! ?

The sign in this passage is not referring to the Rev 12 sign, but to a lightening from the east into the west seen by the whole world! Rev 12 is not a visible sign!

Then we see today that only the first two verses of Rev 12 are the prior topic explained by most scholars, while Rev 12 is revealing more which actually can be seen in some constellations nearby the virgin. Then we also can state that the first two verses of Rev 12 have a spiritual message, while the rest of the chapter contains a physical message regarding earthly events to come and these all match with Daniel’s prophecy about the coming of the lawless one. When we read the prophecies in the O.T. regarding the end, then we can only embrace the correctness of the casting into earth of the Dragon mentioned in Rev 12, who consequently will cause tribulations as spoken by those first prophets. But what are most scholars doing today? They try to confirm their Rev 12 rapture/2nd coming vision by messages taken from the O.T. instead accepting the vision that all O.T. tribulation prophecies actually only regard Israel and the Middle East. Only God’s Wrath is upon whole earth! First He punishes Israel, then the rest of the world.

Then we have another fact that after the Rev 12 sign, scripture is mentioning other signs to come and to be watched. Who is going to watch these next signs when today most scholars preach a Rev 12 rapture of the elect and a second coming?

I don’t think the atheists will do this, nor muslims or other pagan ideologies who are not familiar with the name of Christ and His warnings to watch the signs and in particular the earthly signs of times which shall reveal more than the heavenly signs. Thus the elect are still on earth after the Rev 12 sign.

Matt 24:36: “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. 39And they were oblivious, until the flood came and swept (TOOK) them all away. (at once, by surprise or as a thief in the night they all died) So will be the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.”

Note: ‘No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.’! But today people apparently exalt themselves above the Son! People apparently do not listen when God says ‘no one knows… ‘!

‘As it was in the days of Noah,’ Here Yeshua makes the comparison that the last wrath suddenly came upon the world and just before this last wrath, Noah was saved; just like Lot, warned and saved just before the city was destroyed not years previous to the wrath, Gen 19:15-20, and so it will be at His return and He will save his (left) chosen ones just before total destruction! But He will not destroy a place if His elect dwell in it, Gen 18:22-31, so, at the end when the wrath comes upon the earth He will destroy all places but first He will save His elect, and until the last great wrath of that last day He will protect them with the Wings of an Eagle! Then why should the elect fear when righteousness rules their heart by following the Lord where-ever He goes? !

As in Noah’s days until the flood came and TOOK them all away, at once, by surprise or as a thief in the night they all died but first the elect shall be saved! And there’s not any other statement found as this comparison with Noah to make us clear that the elect will pass through all tribulations and first wrath and must endure until the end! Thus the end is not September 2017!

Matt 24:39-42: “And they were oblivious, until the flood came and swept them all away. So will be the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day on which your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known in which watch of the night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44For this reason, you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect Him.”

Note: 'Taken' refers to the dead, those who are taken are those who will not survive. The taken are people who are killed. The 'left behind' in this passage refer to those who will survive, the saved ones... The concept of being TAKEN is not meant to be taken into the sky as being raptured and saved, but removed from the sight of the (earth) tribulations and wrath or through the occurrence of what is happening at that particular moment. It definitely does not refer to a rapture of the elect!

To be taken in this concept means taken by cause of sin: the wicked will be taken away, the righteous will be left behind and finally saved. Only one word ‘Taken’ and the whole perception of scripture have changed by those with a lack of knowledge, less insight and pride towards others who tried to warn them to put more attention on this matter and to understand what is literally written, but finally didn’t examine what they principally had to examine: all existing scriptures! The world today teaches in reverse by preaching the rapture regarding the elect and the left behind as being the unbelievers, but do not twist both understandings for this passage is telling us something else!

Why are the wicked TAKEN AWAY and will not survive? Matt 24:28: “Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.”, because they, in this context, the taken are dead, they were killed! The left behind in this case are the survivors and saved ones. But many did not understand these passages!

Only the word harpazo refers to a catching up into the sky. Bible does not use the word rapture!

In verse 42 and 44 again we read: WE DO NOT KNOW THE DAY! Why then are people setting a date regarding this day in the future?

This dear friends is pure deception and blasphemous acts by twisting the word of what God told us! Now you understand why He is putting His elect into a test for many shall not be found worthy to enter His Kingdom, but only ‘a few’. Telling to other people that you will be saved only because you believe is a lie! Not only faith and believe but you have to give your life to the Lord not to the world! Are most of these so called saints doing this? Have most of them taken distance from worldly burdens, money, possession, pride, gossip, etc ... did they? I doubt! Then why shouldn’t God put us into His test, while He has plenty of reasons for doing this!

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2 Esdras: one of the hidden books which reveals the end and the second coming:

2 Esdras13:16: “ As I turn it over in my mind, I think: How terrible it will be for those who will be left in those days, and how much worse for those who aren’t left! (for they died or will die) 17 Those who aren’t left will be full of sorrow, 18 since they now know what lies in store for the last days, but they won’t live to see them. But how terrible it will be also for those who are left, 19 for that very reason! They will see great dangers, and there will be many kinds of distress, as these dreams show. 20 Yet it is better to encounter these things, even incurring danger, than to pass from the world like a cloud and not see what happens at the end. 21 He answered me, “I will tell you the interpretation of the dream as well, and I will explain to you the things you spoke about. 22 As to what you said about those who are left, this is the interpretation: 23 He who brings the danger at that time will himself guard those who fall into danger, who have works and faith in the most mighty one. 24 Know, therefore, that those who are left enjoy greater privilege than those who have died. 25 The interpretations of the vision are as follows:

“In that you saw a man going up from the heart of the sea, 26 that is the one whom the Most High has been keeping for many ages. He will liberate God’s creation all by himself, and he will put in order those who are left.”

ABOUT the real SIGNS:

2 Esdras 5 Common English Bible (CEB)

5 “But about the signs: Look, the days will come when those who live on earth will be seized with great terror.[a] The way of truth will be hidden, and the land will be barren and devoid of faith. 2 Injustice will be multiplied beyond what you yourself see and beyond what you have heard of formerly. 3 The land that you now see holding sway will have no one left to walk upon it, and people[b] will see it desolate. 4 But if the Most High grants that you live, you will see it thrown into confusion after the third period of time.[c] The sun will suddenly start shining by night and the moon by day. 5 Blood will drip from wood, and stones will speak out. Peoples will be troubled, and natural courses will be changed. 6 A person no one on earth expected will come to power, and birds will migrate together. 7 The sea of Sodom will cast up fish; it will utter sounds in a voice that many don’t know, but all will hear its voice.8 Chasms will open up in many places, and fire will be shot forth frequently. Wild beasts will roam beyond their territory, and women will give birth to monsters. 9 Salt waters will be found in sources of freshwater. Friends everywhere will begin to fight each other. Reason will be hidden, and intelligence will go into hiding. 10 Many will look for it, but they won’t find it, and injustice and lust will be multiplied on earth.11 One country will ask its neighbor, ‘Has justice passed through you, doing what is right?’ and the answer will be no. 12 At that time people will hope but not get what they hoped for; they will labor, but they will make no progress. 13 I am permitted to tell you these signs, and if you pray again and continue to weep as you are now doing and fast for seven days, you will again hear greater things than these.”

Compare the similarities:

Baruch 27:
" 1 And He answered and said unto me: 'Into twelve parts is that time divided, and each one of them is reserved for that which is appointed for it. 2 In the first part there shall be the beginning of commotions. 3 And in the second part (there shall be) slayings of the great ones. 4 And in the third part the fall of many by death. 5 And in the fourth part the sending of the sword. 6 And in the fifth part famine and the withholding of rain. 7 And in the sixth part earthquakes and terrors. 8 [Wanting.] 9 And in the eighth part a multitude of specters and attacks of the Shedim. 10 And in the ninth part the fall of fire. 11 And in the tenth part rapine and much oppression. 12 And in the eleventh part wickedness and unchastity. 13 And in the twelfth part confusion from the mingling together of all those things aforesaid. 14 For these parts of that time are reserved, and shall be mingled one with another and minister one to another. 15 For some shall leave out some of their own, and receive (in its stead) from others, and some complete their own and that of others, so that those may not understand who are upon the earth in those days that this is the consummation of the times."

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Note: Why God even at the end is still punishing Israel and the Middle East?

When we look back into history we know that since Nebuchadnezzar's conquest the Israelites were scattered among the nations. The nations are Israel's surrounding countries who all were under idolatry, worshipping and offering to false gods. These ancient scattered Israelites then accepted these false god's until today, for today these are their descendants and many of them are become current muslims for they still live in the same regions as when their ancestors once where scattered into. God is punishing Israel, but in reality He means the islamic nations not only current state of Israel, for many of His first chosen people, the Israelites, today make part of, and live in these nations but forgot or apparantly do not know who they really are. All those scattered into far nations outside the borders of the Middle East He now is calling back to accelerate the restoration of His people! Which similarities here do we see?

.... as it was in Noah’s days ... as it was before and after the Babylonian empire... and as it was and is until today!

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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Esdras+13&version=CEB

Read the whole chapter or better whole book of 2 Esdras! And maybe also about time to examine all rejected books who will reveal more than you ever could imagine!

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In addition to get more knowledge we have to read many more than only bible:

2Esdras

Psalm 9:1-10

1Tess 4:16-17

2Tess 2: 9-11

Acts 14:22

Ascension of Isaiah

Apocalypse of Thomas

Apocalypse of Peter

And many other early writings

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http://www.scriptural-truth.com/apocrypha_books.html

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/

Yeshua said: “Let those who seek, seek until they find, and when they find they will be confused, and when they are confused they will marvel and when they marvel they will enter the Kingdom!”

Yeshua said, "I shall choose you, one out of a thousand, and two out of ten thousand, and they shall stand as a single one."

He said: "When a blind man leads another blind man they both will fall into the same hole!"

Clear!

Then why many do not seek?

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Blessings

TNC

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